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by cosmicrat ·
22-September-2017, 8:09 am


Yes, I, too, am anti-fascist.  Although I prefer to oppose fascism in all its manifestations in a nonviolent way, I recognize that there may be times when that is not a sufficient response, and that my way is not the only way.

If I were conversing with members of Antifa, I would suggest that they strive for self-discipline in order to refrain from unnecessary force-- to consider themselves defenders, not aggressors.

But though my approach is not theirs, we are nonetheless allies, and I will not condemn them.  There are many others who are allies, with varied means and goals, and we are wise not to reject one another if we are working toward similar ends.  Some are more moderate and methodical, while others may be considered radical.  There may be a time to discuss our differences, but for now it is more important to unite.

--Cosmicrat  Sept. 22, 2017

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  •  cosmicrat: 

    Fascism does not proclaim itself.  It doesn't win elections under its name.  It uses right-wing populism to get there, declaring minorities, the media, and established democratic institutions as the "enemy".

    It would seem Trump's ineptitude as a leader and President make him a poor threat as a populist, yet he retains a core of around 30% no matter how often he lies and screws up.  That is a matter for concern.

    ".. fascism as a social movement often acts dramatically different from fascism once it holds state power. When holding state power, fascism tends to be rigidly hierarchical, authoritarian, and elitist. As a social movement fascism employs populist appeals against the current regime and promises a dramatic and quick transformation of the status quo."

    Populism as a Core Element of Fascism


    "...the right-wing populists that make it to power look a whole lot like fascists. Conservatives, by definition, seek to protect the status quo, making a conservative populist something of an oxymoron. But the logic of right-wing populism seems, inevitably, to lead to fascism."  

    Trump: Fascist, Populist, Tyrant or Clown.

    "Right-wing populists lash out at immigrants and minorities to divert attention from the economic plight of their followers. Hence, their movements require a constant string of lies and fresh infusions of hate to keep up the diversion. "

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  •  cosmicrat: 

    Who are the antifa?

    The question is not whether to oppose fascists by force, but when. Historically, when a population has ignored them, considering them not to be a serious problem, hardly worth noticing, they have regretted it later.
    Surely, you may say, no sensible person would support these bigots. Sensible persons might not, but sometimes we can be surprised by how many abandon reason when some rhetoric appeals to them. Who would have thought that anyone would support a candidate who utters obvious lies each and every day?

    "Antifascists argue that after the horrors of chattel slavery and the Holocaust, physical violence against white supremacists is both ethically justifiable and strategically effective. We should not, they argue, abstractly assess the ethical status of violence in the absence of the values and context behind it."

    Every use of force, whether by a person, group, or a government, is judged primarily by whether it is morally justifiable. The "Why?" is important.

    "Though antifa are often treated as a new force in American politics since the rise of Trump, the anti-fascist tradition stretches back a century. The first antifascists fought Benito Mussolini’s Blackshirts in the Italian countryside, exchanged fire with Adolf Hitler’s Brownshirts in the taverns and alleyways of Munich and defended Madrid from Francisco Franco’s insurgent nationalist army. Beyond Europe, anti-fascism became a model of resistance for the Chinese against Japanese imperialism during World War II and resistance to Latin American dictatorships."

    "Responding to small fascist groups may seem trivial to some, but the rise of Hitler and Mussolini show that resistance is not a light switch that can simply be flipped on in a crisis. Once the Nazi and fascist parties gained control of government, it was too late to pull the emergency brake."

    "Agree or disagree with their methods, the antifa, who devote themselves to combating racism, are in no way equivalent to alt-right trolls who joke about gas chambers. Behind the masks, antifa are nurses, teachers, neighbors, and relatives of all races and genders who do not hesitate to put themselves on the line to shut down fascism by any means necessary."

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  •  SecretCorners: 

    Here is the simple truth.  If you use violence (never mind that you do not have the right under the law to attack anyone unless they attack you) to suppress the First Amendment rights of others, then you are the FASCIST!  I will go further in this and say that if you act childish and blow whistles and bang buckets and blow sirens to try to drown out another person's right to speak you are the FASCIST.  Because that is what Fascists did and that is what Hitler did.

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    •  cosmicrat: 

      When you want to insult someone, or some group, you really should get your name-calling terms right, or you just sound silly.  

      I think perhaps you haven't quite decided what you're for yet.  I've gotten the impression from other things you've written that you're not comfortable with people of other cultures, and other colors.  You might want to think about how you feel about that, and why.  Just a suggestion.

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  •  Midianlord: 

    "... we are nonetheless allies, and I will not condemn them." (CosmicRat)

    We are judged by the company we keep. So what's it like, turning into everything you supposedly stand against?

    Or is it just that the English word "hypocrisy" has no American translation?


    AntiFa are violent terrorists, same as the Islamists, exact same as the far-right neo-Fascist/neo-Nazis. You are part of the problem, bru.

    Sorry, but that's the sad, simple truth.

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